Monday, March 29, 2010

The fall of angels- 5:1-ff

It reads as though it is the same day. I don't think that feeling of awe and subduedness would have left them by the time they reached the shore. And Jesus steps out of the boat (Exelthontos) and euthus (immediately) something else is happening- a man out of the tombs with an unclean (evil) spirit. So they get the row to take stock (I don't think this would have been enough time) and then a man out of the tombs with an evil spirit comes to meet them. It sounds creepy- and if we are in the same day- it must be right at the end of it- adding to the creepiness. Perhaps normally for the disciples it would have been creepy (how much exposure to demon possession did they have before they met Jesus- he seems to be a bit of a magnet for people who have them- an interesting aside- an awareness there for the demonic forces of the powerful threat in their midst- or can they not help manifesting in the presence of such power and holiness? They are keen to expose him- but can they help exposing themselves? There is a clash of two realms- no question of a peaceful existance between the two- they are an anathema to one another- and one side has switched sides- are they ever haunted by what they have left behind? Falleness in angels seems so much more complete than in humans. We don't know much of their back story- how long were they around before us – does time work a bit differently for them- must; they have not died. Is there any place for demonic repentance? Is this covered by what Jesus says on blaspheming the Holy Spirit in 3: 28-30? It comes on the back of Jesus responding to the charge that – 'He has Beelzebul, and by the ruler of demons, he casts out demons'. It doesn't feel like demons do- that to think they might – may misunderstand relations and mechanics between the two sides. That as fully spiritual beings, living in the same sphere as their maker and experiencing him and knowing him in a different and 'immediately fuller'? way than what humans do- when they decided to turn their back on him, and follow Satan- they 'knew' exactly what they were doing- “For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once been enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, since on their own they are crucifying again the Son of God and are holding him up to contempt...” (Heb 6:6-ff) This sort of principle- though there is no turning again in this case- and we do not hear of a similar mechanism as Jesus sacrifice for fallen angels. Which I think might because they fall further with greater knowledge of what they do- greater understanding or experience of 'enlightenment', the heavenly gift, the goodness of the word of God, and the powers of the age to come. And they are different beings with a different existence to us- the choosing is probably different for them - “I am Gabriel. I stand in the presence of God, and have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news. But now because you did not believe my words, which will be fulfilled in their time, you will become mute, unable to speak until the day these things occur.” This gives a bit of the picture I think- sort of sums himself up here Gabriel- this is my name- I stand in the presence of God- this is what defines me- and I have been sent- in Greek, messenger and angel are the same word- angelos- this is what I live for – to be sent by the God in whose presence I stand. Their glory may be different as well- Gabriel is not being pompous when he tells Zechariah this- but he also is not someone to be trifled with- the feeling Lewis gets with Centaurs in Narnia. ( I suspect this a far more accurate picture than Frank Peretti's picture in This Present Darkness).
Perhaps Adam and Eve would have more of an idea of what it was like for them- except free will works here a bit differently I think- and Adam and Eve disobeyed and showed a lack of faith- there was a lot they didn't know- whereas this is not the case for the angels- But both parties here were at one point in the will of God and then at the next outside it- where they hadn't been before. Both experience immediate consequences- but initially, the angels fall further. It seems like they only get the one choice- God or not- and to make it against him- goodness is something that goes- and becomes hideous to them- What was a beautiful being that would inspire holy fear, becomes totally corrupted- unrecognisable from what they once were. There is no dialoguing with demons. Which Angel was it that responded to Satan- the Lord rebuke you Satan. And Jesus himself when tempted by Satan, doesn't debate with him- but responds by quoting scripture. There is no appealing to a demons better side- they have completely left it behind and do not have one.
Just read 2 Peter, which relates to some of this.
And also looked at 1 Peter 3:19 where he states that Jesus went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison, who in former times did not obey, when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark......” Definitely not with him here.

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